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and i don't use any additional security. i will say i am aware, and when i feel that the threat level rises, i do what i have to do to protect myself and my family, and my deepest wish is that people debate, they disagree, solve problems, and my philosophy, i will debate and then go out and have a beer with you. that's how die my bar gapping and associations. >> what has surprised you most about washington, dc. >> that's easy. >> you laugh. what is surprising the most is i travel -- i'm the luckiest guide in the world. no doubt. and i am blessed to be a united states senator. aside from the birth of my kids and my marriage, nothing i'm more proud of. is a travel around the world, around this country, you know what they talk about overseas? from the prime ministers and the presidents and business leaders, down to the poorest farmer pushing a cart, talk about jobs, and since i've been in the united states senate until we got back, we spent 12-15 days talking about nothing do with jobs. we're in the middle of a two-year recessi
and i don't use any additional security. i will say i am aware, and when i feel that the threat level rises, i do what i have to do to protect myself and my family, and my deepest wish is that people debate, they disagree, solve problems, and my philosophy, i will debate and then go out and have a beer with you. that's how die my bar gapping and associations. >> what has surprised you most about washington, dc. >> that's easy. >> you laugh. what is surprising the most is i...
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early in the game i couldn't use the word americans very easily in this book because everybody is an american. if you go back to about 1760, everybody is a tory essentially. they are all british subjects. and they see the king as the man they're going to worship every sunday as most of them were, they are going to pray for the king, and the wherewithal, there's only one trading partner and that england, and that's the way things were but as the revolution started to percolate and the sons of italy -- [laughter] wow, where am i? the sons of liberty started functioning in boston and new york. things started to change. and a group started to question the revolution. for a while it was a political debate. i can across the club that was formed in plymouth, it was formed in 1770 or 71. go ahead and look it up, it's in the book. and there was called the old colony club pity was founded primarily by descendants passengers on the mayflower. there isn't a better american pedigree to say you descended from the mayflower. a lot of the people who descended from the mayflower and the generation of
early in the game i couldn't use the word americans very easily in this book because everybody is an american. if you go back to about 1760, everybody is a tory essentially. they are all british subjects. and they see the king as the man they're going to worship every sunday as most of them were, they are going to pray for the king, and the wherewithal, there's only one trading partner and that england, and that's the way things were but as the revolution started to percolate and the sons of...
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used to dress very well. so i got that from my family, so i dress very well too. of so i wear a hat because i'm undercover all the time. >> host: now, you -- in the book it's mentioned that at the 2000 world reconciliation day in australia you're there with nelson mandela. >> guest: yes. >> host: and you said it was quite a celebration because the two of you, two people who love boxing, two former prisoners, people who spent a good deal of time in the jail, you said to each other, we're here, we made it, we made it. >> guest: that's what he said to me, you know? e was in south africa in 1965 before most folks even understood whether south africa even existed. >> host: this is before you went to jail. >> guest: this was during my prize fighting years. and nelson had just gone in 1964, and he was persona non grata in south africa which means that you couldn't, you couldn't see his picture, you couldn't even speak his name, you know? and my guide at that time was a young 16-year-old boy called steven. and he use
used to dress very well. so i got that from my family, so i dress very well too. of so i wear a hat because i'm undercover all the time. >> host: now, you -- in the book it's mentioned that at the 2000 world reconciliation day in australia you're there with nelson mandela. >> guest: yes. >> host: and you said it was quite a celebration because the two of you, two people who love boxing, two former prisoners, people who spent a good deal of time in the jail, you said to each...
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we are used to that. we should have a more sophisticated population now, of educated people and don't take all of this very seriously. i mean, we take these with a grain of salt and discretion and i'm not sure i see that this is as much of a threat to participatory democracy as we would -- one might charge the influence of corporations, i think, are represented in institutions, maybe and of lobbying, maybe -- another issue, to discuss. and, this one -- you ask what the 18th century would have thought and they had to real experience of this, so, all we can do is put words in their mouths and though they were very concerned with corruption, with having private interests and representative institution, there is no doubt they cared about that and what they would think of the particular form that occurs in our day, most often, a person says what they think, it is another question of their politics being put en to the mouths of people who never understood the situation we face. >> book tv's in-depth program, we
we are used to that. we should have a more sophisticated population now, of educated people and don't take all of this very seriously. i mean, we take these with a grain of salt and discretion and i'm not sure i see that this is as much of a threat to participatory democracy as we would -- one might charge the influence of corporations, i think, are represented in institutions, maybe and of lobbying, maybe -- another issue, to discuss. and, this one -- you ask what the 18th century would have...